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Title: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Gnominator on 22.02.05, 22:27
Hi,

There are several flight training schools advertising on those dreadful Google-Ads.

I found those two to be interesting, but can they be trusted?

The first one is in San Diego, USA and offers JAR-courses, too.
http://www.flyaaa.com (http://www.flyaaa.com)

The second one is in Manila (Philippines) and for me this one sounds very weird and I would not trust it.
http://www.aaa-flying-school.com/index.html (http://www.aaa-flying-school.com/index.html)

The reason why I am asking this is because I want to start my flight trainign very soon (CPL + ME or SE, no instructor rating). I might have the opportunity to start a (sub-)business of my own with a small SE-turboprop (PC-12 or similar). Therefore I would not need to go to a flight school which is "airline approved". I thought this might save my some money.

The school in Manila at least offers very cheap courses (27000 Dollars for 0-205 hours CPL trainign) including accomodation, but I think it is "safer" in the US (similar price tag at that flight school).

Please give me some (useful) advice.

Thank you,

Robert Lechner


Title: Re:Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: BAW on 22.02.05, 22:57
Robert, i suggest that you ask in a more localised forum. Most the people here are English or Nordic and we have very few Americans. I suggest you find a local American forum as they will be able to provide alot more local knowledge and maybe even personal experience.


Title: Re:Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Gnominator on 22.02.05, 23:04
Ok, thank you very much.

I just thought that, as both school offer JAA training, someone here might have known them.


Title: Re:Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Sami Puro on 23.02.05, 10:44
Quote from: Robert Lechner on 22.02.05, 22:27
There are several flight training schools advertising on those dreadful Google-Ads.


Well, if a school needs to advertise itself on a Google-Ad banner over the internet, then I would at least say that it's some rather new/small/unknown school. ;) So would mean perhaps cheaper prices and _perhaps_ not so highly developed training methods as the older schools might use.. But, can't really say if you can "trust" them.


Title: Re:Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Ilkka Mäkelä on 26.02.05, 14:30
Well, the first school you mention uses C-152, C-172, Piper Warrior and Arrow aircraft for SE training. Pretty standard, though proven aircraft types, and a good way of keeping the costs down.
One simulator, an Elite PCATD simulator is mentioned for ground instrument training. Unfortunately, they don´t give the exact model. As the letters suggest, this is a PC-based simulator system. Though approved by the FAA, still a PC simulator. The cheapest model of these costs 3995 USD at the factory which makes them.

Might be good, might be bad, I cannot tell. Still, sounds a little on the cheap side to me. Though, San Diego sounds better. However, better to be careful about all these less-known flight schools, academies or universities (!) since just about anybody can start a Flight University in the USA, the land of unlimited opportunities...

And ask them if you have to pay the courses in advance. Usually that´s a bad sign.


Title: Re:Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Tuomas Kuosmanen on 27.02.05, 14:22
Quote from: Ilkka Mäkelä on 26.02.05, 14:30
Well, the first school you mention uses C-152, C-172, Piper Warrior and Arrow aircraft for SE training. Pretty standard, though proven aircraft types, and a good way of keeping the costs down.
One simulator, an Elite PCATD simulator is mentioned for ground instrument training. Unfortunately, they don´t give the exact model. As the letters suggest, this is a PC-based simulator system. Though approved by the FAA, still a PC simulator. The cheapest model of these costs 3995 USD at the factory which makes them.


Yeah, a PCATD is a pc with some controls and an avionics console combined with an approved sim software.

(http://www.flyelite.com/product_images/59.jpg)

Probably the above (www.flyelite.com) - nothing "wow! a sim! cool!" but still something that works of course if you practice procedures with it. Depends of course what they charge you for the use of that thing :)

Of course most of us would gladly use one of those for our simulator hobby :)

//Tuomas


Title: Re:Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Gnominator on 28.02.05, 14:07
Quote from: Tuomas Kuosmanen on 27.02.05, 14:22
Yeah, a PCATD is a pc with some controls and an avionics console combined with an approved sim software.

(http://www.flyelite.com/product_images/59.jpg)

Probably the above (www.flyelite.com) - nothing "wow! a sim! cool!" but still something that works of course if you practice procedures with it. Depends of course what they charge you for the use of that thing :)

Of course most of us would gladly use one of those for our simulator hobby :)

//Tuomas


As long as it is an approved training equipment I am really not concerned about the quality of the training. If it makes it cheaper it's even better. I cannot afford really afford to spend twice as much as necessary and if these training units get me to where I want to be I'll be absolutely happy.

I contacted both of the schools. Both replies within less than 5 hours and they both do not want me to pay the course in advance. But both want to check, whether or not I have the money and possibility to pay for my training. That's a normal procedure, I guess I would do that, too.

Well, after all the San Diego flying school looks more interesting. They replied quickly and answered all my questions to a satisfying extent. They employ JAA examiners, that means the whole course and checkflights would be under JAA rules. No additional checkflights would be needed to convert the license from FAA to JAA. I think that would save me quite a lot of money, too.


Title: Re:Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Jyri Karhumäki on 01.03.05, 12:19
I think you should be able to find the answers for your questions at pprune.org / forums / professional pilot training. They usually have people who have either gone to the schools or at least know something about them.

I didn't know that there was JAA training given in the Philippines. I guess from somewhere at JAA's webpage you can find out which flight schools are actually approved for JAA flight training.

Here's a list of some flight schools that give JAA flight training. It was last updated last fall so it is by no means complete.

USA

Western Michigan University - www.wmich.edu

UK Flight Training - http://www.ukft.com
Rainbow Air – http://www.rainbowair.com
Ormond Beach Aviation - http://www.flyoba.com (see pprune!)
Orlando Flight Training – http://www.flyoft.com
Multiflight - http://multiflight.infoserve.com
European Flight Training - http://www.flyeft.com
Britannia Flight Centre - http://www.britflight.com (excluding something)
The Pilot Training Academy Florida – http://www.ptaflorida.com (Approval Fall 2004)
Ari-Ben Aviator, Inc - http://www.flyaviator.com
Euro Pacific Aviation - http://www.flypacific.ic24.net
Naples Air Center - http://www.naples-air-center.com/
Anglo-American Aviation International - http://www.naples-air-center.com/

Helicopter Adventure, INC - http://www.heli.com
Orlando Flight Training – http://www.flyoft.com

There was no JAA flight training in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa (at that time). Although they had many courses that prepared their students to convert local CAA licences into JAA. There was one flight school in South Africa that was approved for JAA flight training but soon after the approval went out of business keeping the money students had paid up front.

Good luck!


Title: Re:Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: manoova on 18.05.05, 21:16
I've flown at the first one you mentioned - Anglo American. A friend of mine did his PPL (and later his IR) there and I was in the US on business and so visited him and spent a few days buzzing around California in one of their planes.

Ossi, my mate swears by them and from my few days flying their aircraft I found them to be very good and better than most of the FBO's I've flown with in the US.

Also San Diego is a pretty cool place to fly at with some interesting places to visit.

I have no idea about the Phillipines. Could be an adventure.


Title: Re:Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: CaptBill on 02.06.05, 03:29
Robert, I have used a local US forum - Piper Owners Society - for members that may have information on the Anglo-American Flight Training, San Diego. As soon as someone responds I will forward on to you.

I learned to fly and received my instrument ticket in Los Angeles about a thousand years ago, so my knowledge of the flight training academies is no longer valid. However, I have flown in Southern California and Florida. Without any doubts, the scenery in San Diego is exceptional and the number of days that flights are restricted due to weather are few. One small drawback is the limited practice airspace available there. From Gillespy airport, the Pacific Ocean is quite close to the west. There are 6,000 to 9000' mountains to the east. To the south is the Mexican border. The very same terrain that provides beautiful scenery also limits easy access to practice areas. This is a small detraction.

One suggestion to determine if a flight school is valid and professional is to contact the Better Business Bureau (BBB's) in the town where the flight school is located. BBB's are non-governmental agencies that help monitor the ethicacy of local businesses. They can tell you if there have been complaints about the school or business. Another method, is to contact the US FAA Flight Districts Standards Office. The District Safety Program Manager can give you some information about the school or refer you to the local FAA field representative that is responsible for monitoring flight training. This can all be done via the internet. I'll be glad to help idenfiy the correct websites if you like.

Bill Waters
Memphis, TN
N579W
Turbo Arrow III


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Gnominator on 17.07.05, 16:39
Thank you. I would be very happy if you could forward any info to me!  :)


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Jyri Karhumäki on 19.07.05, 14:36
There were no complaints at Better Business Bureau's (http://www.bbb.org/) website. Nor were they listed there at all.
San Diego Flight Districts Standards Office (http://www.awp.faa.gov/spm/home_sandiego.cfm)

I've also got some other information about the school so feel free to contact me.

jypy_82@yahoo.com

Cheers,
Jyri


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: SF3aviatrix on 19.09.05, 00:17
Quote from: Robert Lechner on 22.02.05, 22:27
Hi,

There are several flight training schools advertising on those dreadful Google-Ads.

I found those two to be interesting, but can they be trusted?

The first one is in San Diego, USA and offers JAR-courses, too.
http://www.flyaaa.com (http://www.flyaaa.com)


A friend of mine was a CFI there until she went to an airline last year. I can put you in contact with her if you want to ask questions. Email SF3aviatrix@yahoo.com with what you want to know and I can forward it to her.


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Bumerangi on 27.04.06, 18:39
Anybody could give me a Finnish schools?

I know only the Pilot Factory and Finnish or something in Pori.


My career is maybe over because i am going to go vocational school and maybe with not the best grades  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: BAW851 on 27.04.06, 18:42
You can try SPU at City Airport Göteborg, Sweden. We have a couple of finnish students here that moved from Finland... cheaper I think they said.


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Bumerangi on 27.04.06, 19:29
Can you give link i woyld really aprociate this mean that  ::)


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: BAW851 on 27.04.06, 19:30
www.svenskpilotutbildning.se


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Bumerangi on 28.04.06, 19:35
Thanks or shuold  i say Tack  ;D


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Bumerangi on 28.04.06, 19:36
But you can only get PPL but ATL in Helicopter?


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: BAW851 on 28.04.06, 20:04
You can do PPL+ATPL+IR+ME+MCC+FI for Aircraft at SPU or PPL and ATPL for Heli


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Bumerangi on 29.04.06, 14:06
What it would cost and do they have like houses for students?


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: BAW851 on 29.04.06, 14:39
PPL about 80000-9000 Euros
ATPL about 6500 Euros

Campus 350 Euros/month

Call SPU on +46 (0)31 925505 and ask for Torbjörn and he'll help you. ;)


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Bumerangi on 29.04.06, 19:23
As a 15 year old now  ;D dont have to rush after this i mean high school i go to vocational school and maybe after that higher school.

Then i go to army maybe  :P and after that i get a place and then i send papers to flight academys maybe i send first one to there because cheaper but the campus price is a hell.

Is it like that if you just take ATPL you get in that PPL?


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Bumerangi on 29.05.06, 15:55
http://www.near-as.no/default.asp?menu=19

Anybody got experience about this one?

I think it is good, near and cheap.

So basically you can just try to get in there and then you study for ATPL you dont need a PPL to get in courses?


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: GBOAF on 06.06.06, 22:15
i thought that you had to work up the scale, startiing with PPL and working upwards.


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: GBOAF on 06.06.06, 22:17
Its also worth remembering that some airlines offer scollarships as well. EasyJet offer a very good one in the UK and a lot of pilots have qualified through this scheme. The only downside is that you 'pay' for it by having reduced wages for a few years


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Bumerangi on 19.06.06, 09:25
Oh! I have to try to get the PPL as soon i get money because if i go straight to ATPL is it fun anymore or is it just a regular job?

So PPL is nice thing!


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: GBOAF on 19.06.06, 19:19
well it depends on weather you think being in control of a B744 with 340 passengers onboard and going into work at all hours of the day fun.

But if it was me I would enjoy it all the same :)


Title: Re: Can you trust these flightschools?
Post by: Bumerangi on 22.06.06, 10:24
Nah!  :) why B744 so long fliiiights!

ATR would be great.


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